Curse

Regulus X · May 02, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I think there're a very small group of players that're abusing of the inactivity in CA. In other words: given no players are around (especially at dead hours), a guild decides to enter-resign-enter-resign-enter-resign, possibly even scripting/botting this action. I think it's following along a worse path of abuse than HB has ever had in it's past.

My vote is that the GWLT remove Codex to prevent players from getting to maxed ranks via abuse. They're exploiting the system, it's wrong, and I know that any nay-sayers that pop up here and try to retort are the very players abusing of this.

Kosar The Cruel · May 02, 2010, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Codex should be done away with as a whole. Now that Team Arena is gone, people realize how much fun and how good it could have been.

Missing HB · May 02, 2010, 07:03 AM // 07:03

I totally agree , codex should have been deleted for a long time . But in my opinion , deleted because the system fails ( + similar title to arenas , not what it was supposed to be , no update , thus all leaving it ) .
The point is that almost every place do have people abusing title ( check HA at this hour exactly any day , everyone being farmed on 1v1 hall by same usual team and build )

But yes , this abuse is most obvious on codex , and this is an other reason to delete it so /signed

talon994 · May 02, 2010, 07:17 AM // 07:17

So does this mean the people with r5+ got it through resigning?

GG on making another PvP title mean nothing, Anet.

ightgg · May 02, 2010, 07:53 AM // 07:53

People are just realizing this? Its called Syncing. Run 8 accounts which is 2 teams. Then run your real group and play against yourself over and over for free wins.

urania · May 02, 2010, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by talon994

So does this mean the people with r5+ got it through resigning?

GG on making another PvP title mean nothing, Anet.

very likely.
but foremostly its some r6's and r7's.
but wait, why care?

FoxBat · May 02, 2010, 08:13 AM // 08:13

However bad this abuse might be, and however much the format might deserve to be deleted, it's still not as bad as HB abuses were. By definition, only a handful of people can pull off this kind of abuse, and generally not on zquest days. HB on the other hand had districts full of abusers reaping enough zquest rewards to drive down the price of keys.

Show Some Skin · May 02, 2010, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Theres always gonna be someone/people abusing something, it being bots/leeching/resign or other stuff you cant really do a whole lot about it. Like that kid said about HB, i knew a guildie who made more than 2 stacks of keys just in 1 day with the r/r day thing and thats not even counting the other days she was doing it.

*lemming* · May 02, 2010, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Ideally, the solution would be to fix the abuse, not to scrap the format.

cantalus · May 02, 2010, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by lemming

Ideally, the solution would be to fix the abuse, not to scrap the format.

exactly, however anet clearly don't understand that at all

Terrible Surgeon · May 02, 2010, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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Originally Posted by urania

very likely.
but foremostly its some r6's and r7's.
but wait, why care?

They removed TA and HB which weren't nearly as terrible as this format is why i care. You asked, i answered...
Yes HB was abused and TA was abused...but this arena cant even get 30+people to play it daily....

urania · May 02, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09

i repeat - why care about >titles< in a sucky arena?

talon994 · May 02, 2010, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by urania

i repeat - why care about >titles< in a sucky arena?

Because,

1. They can't HA (Hero
2.They can't GvG (Champ)
3.They suck at RA (Glad)

so they need to sync with their own accounts in a low end PvP arena to feel accepted in the PvP community.

Animate · May 03, 2010, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Why care about any titles in a dead game in the first place?
People go to such lengths for crappy numbers benath their names.. play with 2nd account resign bots, sync in RA, lol.
I bet if there was an AFK-Arena, where you would earn a title just by idling, it was not as empty as CA. In fact it would be overcrowded.
I have wasted a lot of time (1)

Idling is more fun than CA. You set up a team, and then it takes one hour for 10 games because of "no opposing parties" all the time. If you get an enemy, they're resign bots (well, first time I faced them, I actually thought Anet had sent in a dummy team so as to simulate some activity to prevent the servers from pinging out / the last players giving up CA for good, or something), or the only ones out there with you, meaning you can play them every single game until they have gradually copied and/or modified their builds enough to buildwars you out, or to make you let them beat you finally out of sheer boredom.
When you idle you can just listen to music / do something else / play another game, and thereby casually increase your pvpen..ess.. title.. whatever.
[x] vote for an AFK/Idle Arena to replace CA.

Missing HB · May 03, 2010, 03:03 PM // 15:03

It would have been hard to do worse than Codex arena. But , as we said , nothing at all was done to make it better ( still waiting the " tourneys " ).

HB ( and TA ) didn't get any care and change during months/years , so i doubt we can see any change in this arena . They implemented Codex , and let it as it was , not saying anything on it ( they probably admit it was a fail , or w/e..) .

And anyway , yes as it is said , noone do care of Codex title , everyone do know it has no value .

Karate Jesus · May 03, 2010, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I think there're a very small group of players that're abusing of the inactivity in CA. In other words: given no players are around (especially at dead hours), a guild decides to enter-resign-enter-resign-enter-resign, possibly even scripting/botting this action. I think it's following along a worse path of abuse than HB has ever had in it's past.

It's actually a decent sized group. And it's not just during "dead hours", because dead hours for CA are almost all day (except ZQuest day).

From what I understand there are only 2 guilds that do it. The rest are just friends. And yes, botting has commonly been used to do this.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

My vote is that the GWLT remove Codex to prevent players from getting to maxed ranks via abuse. They're exploiting the system, it's wrong, and I know that any nay-sayers that pop up here and try to retort are the very players abusing of this.

They aren't going to remove Codex....they're trying to fix the format (which is what they SHOULD have done with HB).

I still have no idea what they were thinking with CA. It's just sooooo bad. From what I hear, there's actually a guild that helps players get r3 Codex just for their HoMs. That's all they do.

But really....who's surprised by this?

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Originally Posted by talon994

3.They suck at RA (Glad)

There are over 2,000 people who are currently botting glad points (based on downloads and active models). What makes you think it matters if they're good or not?

You can afk almost any arena now. There's a group of HA farming bots that are almost done, and when they are, expect a lot more tiger spamming.

Corporeal Ghost · May 03, 2010, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by talon994

so they need to sync with their own accounts in a low end PvP arena to feel accepted in the PvP community.

No one of consequence has granted acceptance based on titles for years. Additionally, even if someone did care, even a little about titles, it's widely known that there was never enough time to get to more than about rank 4 codex "legitimately" if you were one of the few that farmed the bejesus out of it every day--and most of those names are known. So basically, people just know by default that the title is "fake". I don't really see the problem.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

They aren't going to remove Codex....they're trying to fix the format (which is what they SHOULD have done with HB).

They tried; it was unfixable, simply based on the concepts the arena was postulated on and that coding AI good enough for such a venture is generally the bulk of an entire game. I really wish people would stop linking Codex, HB, and TA. Arena.net started this fallacy by removing the two the day Codex was released, but Codex really needs to be judged one way or the other based on its own merits, not whether or not it replaced your favorite format.

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

still waiting the " tourneys "

Support from the start would have made the difference. It's far too late now. The arena's deadness perpetuates itself.

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Originally Posted by lemming

Ideally, the solution would be to fix the abuse, not to scrap the format.

This might be true if people legitimately played the format. I just don't think the PvP has the numbers to make this happen anymore, regardless of how much support ANet pours into it, especially given how much bias there is against it at this point.

Karate Jesus · May 04, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Corporeal Ghost

They tried; it was unfixable, simply based on the concepts the arena was postulated on and that coding AI good enough for such a venture is generally the bulk of an entire game. I really wish people would stop linking Codex, HB, and TA. Arena.net started this fallacy by removing the two the day Codex was released, but Codex really needs to be judged one way or the other based on its own merits, not whether or not it replaced your favorite format.

Wait....when did they try to fix HB? From what I remember they just went "STOP OR WE'LL BAN YOU!" then didn't ban anyone and just shut the arena down.

Hell, it was never announced in-game, so there were people sitting around GtoB wondering what happened to TA/HB.

Elnino · May 04, 2010, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Don't fix codex.

They could have fixed/kept HB, the solutions were clear and easy. They didn't
They could have fixed/kept TA. They didn't

So why should they fix codex even if they could?

It will only show us that they didn't give a dam about TA/HB

So please remove codex. It has a playerbase smaller than the Ascalon Academy. There is match manipulation. It is obviously dead. Why keep it?

Missing HB · May 04, 2010, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Yes , it was very easy to fix HB , but the only update that was made there was the removal of Crossing from ATs. The only thing they had to do was to remove a quest , and to fix 2 teleporting skills thats all.
About those people farming the title : anyway , every place has syncers , and there weren't so many in HB .

So , don't tell me it was unfixable. The only thing is that they never ever cared of that arena , and so do they about Codex .
Heroes IA wasn't That crap i guess ( when you see in Ha for example , blahks and tutella can't use any skill on ghost/priest ) .

Also , yes , was fun when they gave argument " playerbase smaller than ascalon academy , and match manipulation " to support the removal of HB. So , what's the reason they keep Codex arena .